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| Posted by: namvet382 |
Date Posted: March 10th, 2011, 10:16pm |
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| From my understanding when I was 3/82 FA ,2/68 till 2/68 that D was named after the CO because he was killed. I saw them come up the hill carrying a cross made of tree limbs with a scull on top n other things hanging off. They looked like Hells Angles. Also understood that they got over run 1 night without setting up a primeter 3 times. 1st n 2nd was killing them n 3rd was collecting weapons n anything else they could carry. I may be wrong about them getting overrun |
| Posted by: JimStone |
Date Posted: March 9th, 2011, 10:23pm |
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| I believe they were called Black Death because Belcher was a black man. It had nothing to do with this battle as they were black death befor that action. It was Belcher's call sign. Alpha was The Annialator and I can't remember B and C Co call signs. The Col. would have nightly talks on the radios with the company commanders at a certain time and they would each chime in with their call signs in order and then discuss happenings for the day. I believe this was discontinued after a short time because they finally figured out Charlie might be listening in Duh. I remember the Col saying Alpa got so many gooks that day in the Annialiator way, meaning we captured so many and Black Death would get kills, he wanted body count so we had to step it up a little and quit taking so many prisoners. Stoney |
| Posted by: Jim Gray |
Date Posted: February 6th, 2011, 7:58pm |
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no i stayed in Nam. I was assigned to HHC as the Brigade casualty reporter. I was at Baldy and prepared the reports twice daily for the meetings in BTOC. The reports were mimeographed and then presented by Capt Cary in brigade HHC. i moved up to Camp Carroll and then back to Baldy when the Brigade moved.
i will have to read Col Humphries book. |
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Hi James,
http://books.google.com/books?.....0vietnam&f=false
Col. Humphries in his book "Through the Valley..." discusses the naming Black Death.
BTW, when you say removed from the field because of your brother being there,
were you sent stateside? My Daddy was a lifer and was in and out of Nam as an "advisor" from the fifties on. He returned while I was still there. We were summoned to headquarters in Saigon and I was told I got to go home because both of us were combat :-) BUT then they told me that after Dad left I had to come back and finish my tour :-( I think that was the first time a ... |
| Posted by: Jim Gray |
Date Posted: February 6th, 2011, 4:27pm |
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for those that do not know. D 3/21 is nicknamed Black Death. We lost our CO Capt. Belcher in this battle, and my understanding is that is why it was nicknamed Black Death. I still have my original patch made in Nam depicting Black Death.
I was fortunate in that when certain people heard that i had a brother in Nam [ Air Force in Cam Rahn Bay] i was removed from the field 2 weeks before this occurred. |
| Posted by: Jim Gray |
Date Posted: February 6th, 2011, 4:15pm |
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| Gregory i think that this was when we moved up to LZ Carroll to support the 101st since it states May of 68 and not 69 |
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Hey Duke, are you thinking of this one?
http://www.eleven-bravo.co.uk/the-war/articles/nhi-ha.php
it looks like someone used it as a wargame for gamers.
Thanks Jim for the clarification, seems like we have a "history" of commanders putting us in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Greg |
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Jim I thiught that was in May 69, just outside of Tan Ky?
Sorry, that was another engagement. Alpha and Delta were in the same one at Tam Ky in may of 69 also. Alpha was in a horseshoe ambush there also. I was wonded on May 13 there.
Duke |
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| Jim I thiught that was in May 69, just outside of Tan Ky? |
| Posted by: JimStone |
Date Posted: January 31st, 2011, 2:11am |
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| The battle was over by Nui Loc Son. It was around Jan 9, 68. D Co 3/21 were chasing some dinks and ran into a horse shoe ambush. Really took some casualties including the CO. The battalion commander Steel Gimlet then sent A Co in to help but made them go in the same way D Co had went and A Co walked right into the same situation. There was two companies stuck then. The cong were so close we couldn't use air. If our artillary fired they would overshoot from the far distance or hit the ridge on the way. It was too far for the 81's to fire and the cong had captured radios and would fire on us befor we could fire our 60 mortars on a back azmuth. It was a mess. the colonel wouldn't commit any more troops as he was just trying to get the ones out that were stuck. He devised a plan to get the wounded out by flying a formation of choppers high up and while the gooks were watching them he slipped in some medavacs low. Worked out pretty good. Finally the gooks pulled out and we left. ... |
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hey guys, what battle and where?
Greg |
| Posted by: JimStone |
Date Posted: January 29th, 2011, 11:38pm |
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| There were also some captured in this battle. Three I think. These guys were released with some of the first ones released. they had been held in a jungle prison camp in the south. The Marine Garwood was one of the guards. Abook was written about this and is called Survivors by Zalin Grant. A good read for some of the old 196ers as it describes some of the battle. I have the book. Got it on line from Amazon. I was on OP down by the river with three other guys and luckily we missed the battle. Stoney |
| Posted by: Jack Krohn |
Date Posted: January 12th, 2011, 6:34pm |
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Jack,
1LT Robert Lewis was not in A 3/21. He was with C 2/1 and was wounded on 5 January. He passed away on 10 January from the wound he received on the 5th. He was my platoon leader |
good to know
we know this list has some errors and ommisions
it's from the Honor Roll list on the 196thLIB website
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| Posted by: carlfryman |
Date Posted: January 12th, 2011, 3:59pm |
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Jack,
1LT Robert Lewis was not in A 3/21. He was with C 2/1 and was wounded on 5 January. He passed away on 10 January from the wound he received on the 5th. He was my platoon leader |
| Posted by: carlfryman |
Date Posted: January 12th, 2011, 3:57pm |
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that was a bad battle for Alpha too
3/21 A 1/9/68 Bojorquez Sisto PVT ELOY AZ
3/21 A 1/9/68 Lambert Timothy PFC DENVER CO
3/21 A 1/9/68 Marcussen Glennon SP4 MONTICELLO AR
3/21 A 1/9/68 Oliver Paul PFC ALAMEDA CA
3/21 A 1/9/68 Pickett Morris PFC BOSTON GA
3/21 A 1/9/68 Prescott Dennis SP4 SUNNYVALE CA
3/21 A 1/9/68 Rehe Richard SSGT LONG BEACH CA
3/21 A 1/9/68 Sykes Derri SSGT CHICAGO IL
3/21 A 1/9/68 Weleski Martin SP4 CABOT PA
3/21 A 1/9/68 Williams Johnny PFC DURHAM NC
3/21 A 1/10/68 Abel Arnold CPL FRENCH LICK IN
3/21 A 1/10/68 Blea Robert CPL DENVER CO
3/21 A 1/10/68 Blocker Murrie CPL NEW ORLEANS LA
3/21 A 1/10/68 Campbell Gordo |
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| Posted by: Bob Kotch |
Date Posted: January 11th, 2011, 10:12pm |
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| I also did not realize that there were so many KIA in that battle. May God bless all of them and may we never forget them. They are true heros. |
| Posted by: Jim Gray |
Date Posted: January 11th, 2011, 10:54am |
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Jack i never realized so many were taken in that battle. I did a quick but not very accurate count and at least 70 were KIA in those 4 days.
May God bless them all. |
| Posted by: Jack Krohn |
Date Posted: January 11th, 2011, 5:16am |
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that was a bad battle for Alpha too
3/21 A 1/9/68 Bojorquez Sisto PVT ELOY AZ
3/21 A 1/9/68 Lambert Timothy PFC DENVER CO
3/21 A 1/9/68 Marcussen Glennon SP4 MONTICELLO AR
3/21 A 1/9/68 Oliver Paul PFC ALAMEDA CA
3/21 A 1/9/68 Pickett Morris PFC BOSTON GA
3/21 A 1/9/68 Prescott Dennis SP4 SUNNYVALE CA
3/21 A 1/9/68 Rehe Richard SSGT LONG BEACH CA
3/21 A 1/9/68 Sykes Derri SSGT CHICAGO IL
3/21 A 1/9/68 Weleski Martin SP4 CABOT PA
3/21 A 1/9/68 Williams Johnny PFC DURHAM NC
3/21 A 1/10/68 Abel Arnold CPL FRENCH LICK IN
3/21 A 1/10/68 Blea Robert CPL DENVER CO
3/21 A 1/10/68 Blocker Murrie CPL NEW ORLEANS LA
3/21 A 1/10/68 Campbell Gordon SGT ATLANTA GA
3/21 A 1/10/68 Fones Paul C ... |
| Posted by: Frenchie |
Date Posted: January 11th, 2011, 1:44am |
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God Bless the heroes |
| Posted by: Jim Gray |
Date Posted: January 11th, 2011, 12:10am |
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In memory of all of the following
3/21 D 1/8/68 Oliver Michael SGT BUTLER TN
3/21 D 1/9/68 Belcher Roland CAPT COLUMBUS OH
3/21 D 1/9/68 Booker Thomas PSGT BESSEMER AL
3/21 D 1/9/68 Capers Lee SGT NEW YORK NY
3/21 D 1/9/68 Garrett Jacky SSGT LIBERTY SC
3/21 D 1/9/68 Mc Ilroy Douglas CPL DEARBORN MI
3/21 D 1/9/68 Sehi George SGT LYNWOOD CA
3/21 D 1/10/68 Andrysiak Francis PFC GLEN HEAD NY
3/21 D 1/10/68 Brown Edwin SGT BELOIT WI
3/21 D 1/10/68 Ellenson Jerome SGT WALCOTT ND
3/21 D 1/10/68 Griffin Garland PFC COOLIDGE GA
3/21 D 1/10/68 Hanselman Charles CPL DEARBORN MI
3/21 D 1/10/68 Perez Jeffrey SGT ELMHURST NY
3/21 D 1/10/68 Seibert Richard 2LT FAR HILLS NJ
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